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Insightful One
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 6:56 am: | |
Jean Loring.
The Atom's ex-wife who has access to the Atom's size-changing equipment (patents, Ray's stuff in her basement), inside information into personal lives of heroes through Ray, history of mental instability (in comic continuity), etc.
You heard it here first folks. There are many clues throughout Identity Crisis which points to this including her strange, faked assault. We'll see how it all turns out in IC number 7.
-Insightful One |
J.H.
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 9:03 am: | |
"Heard it here first"
I said that Jean Loring was the IC killer after IC#3. I've brought it up many times on this board and the JLA board. Including a detailed account of how she faked her attack. Although your theory is little late. I'm glad you agree with my conclusion.
P.S. A lot of people think it's Jean. |
saul
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 9:18 am: | |
I picked this up on another site and I think it makes pretty good sence.
I wish I had figured it out on my own
A Jean Loring theory (that may make sense)
SPOILERS
Jean has had access to Ray's shrinking equipment/serum all these years in her basement.
Her marriage was a failure, and so was her relationship after that. She feels flawed. She is an a strong, female attourney who 'doesn't ask for help'.
So, after her relationship fails, she realises that she wants Ray back, but how to do it?
She uses his shrinking serum or whatever, and kills Sue Dibney, who represents the 'perfect wife' in the 'perfect marriage'. Sue and Ralph were a longstanding couple short on controversey. Sue represented everything that Jean felt she wasn't. So, she kills her.
Next, Jean is 'attacked'. No she wasn't. She hung herself. Don't you find it suspicious that she just happened to be on the phone when she was attacked, able to gasp out her dilemma...? Hadn't she just walked into the house? Did she get the phone and dial and all that shit while she was being hung? She did that, because she knew Ray would get to her in time. And he did. And she said "Just like old times..."
(think of the classic mystery '10 little indians' also known as 'and then there were none', where the killer was actually one of the previous believed to be dead victims. So, there is a precedent for something like this)
Next, Lois Lane gets threatened. Why threaten Lois? They didn't even really follow up on it, did they? Again, Lois and Clark have a 'perfect marriage'. She is the 'average woman' married to 'the perfect man'. Again, something Jean is not.
She then made sure that Mr. Drake had the gun and sent Capt. Boomerang guy to kill him. Her hope was that Mr. Drake would kill Capt. Boomerang, thereby eliminating 'the killer' that was striking at the loved ones. boomerang would be guilty just based on who he was and where he was, and the case would be closed.
And Jean will have accomplished what she wanted. She now has Ray, which was what she wanted. And if she had to kill a few people to do it, well....
At the end of issue 6, she brings it up herself "I still can't believe it was Capt. Boomerang. That's who killed SUe? Attacked ME? Capt. Boomerang?"
While is sounds purely conversational, she is reinforcing the idea that Capt. Boomerang is the killer.
then, the final scene. The final word balloon.
Ray gets in bed with jean and the dialogue is as follows:
Jean: Dr. Palmer...I'm not sure I like that look in your eyes.
(everyone is assuming that Ray is up to no good and going to kill her)
Ray: What Look
(Lights go out)
final dialogue: I don't see anything.
Of course he doesn't. And that's the point. He doesn't even see that he is in bed with the killer.
that is my theory. There are probably some flaws, but I think that the majority of it is going to prove dead on.
Batman was freaking out at the end of the issue, desperate to find Ray. Everyone assumes it is because that the Atom is the killer (because that is the classic misdirection of a mystery).
But Batman is the world's greatest detective, and he surely is so desperate to find Ray because he has realised that he may be in danger. He knows its Jean. You will see.....
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J.H.
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 2:51 pm: | |
SPOILERS---
That theory is good. But this my theory. I think Jean is working with the Calculator. He wanted Sue killed to get the heroes attention. Like going after a cop's family. The Calculator wants to raise the stakes between heroes and villains. For a price he offers info and protection. (Dr. Light) He targeted Jean because the Atom has a public ID. Jean aways felt neglected when they were married. Ray would always go off with the JLA. Jean also has a history of being mentally unstable. She had two nervous breakdowns.
The Atom indicated in IC#2, he left most of his stuff at the house. I'm sure among his things were notebooks or computer disks with notes on shrinking experiments.
Imagine Jean sold that info to the Calculator. They could duplicate the Atom's powers to frame him. Jean enters the Dibny apt via the phone lines. She says "Goodbye Sue" (very familiar). Then Jean sets up the attack on herself. Knowing Ray will arrive to save her. And no one will suspect she's the killer.
I agree she sent the gun to Jack. Hoping that he and Digger would kill each other.
Boomerang is a patsy. Jean and Calculator know that the footprints will be found. And the Atom will become the prime suspect. Now Jean will try to kill Ray and tell everyone she killed him in self defense. But Batman knows the truth. And when everyone arrives at the Palmer house.
He will reveal Jean as Sue's killer.
Also I think Batman will confront the JLA.
He knows that they mindwiped him. And he's not happy about it. |
Gliss
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 9:46 pm: | |
Owen's parents are
The Top (inhabiting Cap't Boomerang's body) and Jean Loring.
If you read the recent Flash comics, when the Top takes over a body, the body has the powers of the Top. So, he took over CB, and had some lovin with JL. Why he got it on with Jean, I do not have an answers.
The killer is
Jean Loring. Dr. Light will be fighting the Teen Titans in a few issues. I cannot see him being the killer and not dying. In fact, I think that he will kill Jean Loring (as he is posing as Ray/Atom in the end of Issue #6), therefore accidently protecting the identities of the JLA.
Jean had access to the Atom and Suicide Squads equipment. How does she benefit? When she saw Sue was pregnant, her memories of giving up Owen came back. Maybe Ray had her mindwiped to get back at her cheating on him with the Top.
Either that, or the Scarlet Witch did it. Heyyyy-ohhh. |
Jeremy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 11:24 pm: | |
Doy you think Jean would really have to kill to get Ray back!? |
Jeremy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 11:26 pm: | |
Opps, I meant do, not doy. I hate my keyboard. lol |
Devlyn16
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 5:08 am: | |
I Still have a lingering feeling Noah=Nathan |
MisfitTycho
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 6:52 am: | |
Jean wouldn't have to kill anyone to get Ray back.
And the way she's hanging from the door isn't something anyone could do on their own. Tied to the knob from the opposite side, rope overhead, leaving her dangling about a foot and a half off the ground. And if there was something for her to stand on I'd like to think the Atom would notice. |
Smalls
| | Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 4:11 am: | |
How are these theories spoilers if they're just guesses? |
Jo Hunter
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 3:41 am: | |
Good theories. I have been twisting my brain trying to put everything together, but I know there are some puzzle pieces I don't have. I realized from #6 that the fact that many of Palmer's stuffs are still in Jean's basement, she has half his patents (until she signed them back) and Atom got to Jean just in the nick of time had bearings in the case. But I didn't know Jean had a history of mental instability.
Anyways, here's more:
It took two minutes for Ralph to get home and find Sue dead. One hour later, Jean and Ray receive the bad news. They live in Ivy Town, Ralph and Sue are in Opal City. What's the distance between those two? In one hour, Jean couldn't have made it in time for her meeting with Ray, but she was there. Could she have teleported? Bolt practically goaded the two gangbangers to shoot him, but I doubt he intended to be shot. He planned to port out, but suddenly he's lost his teleport power. Then there's that Luthor armor in the box.
Could she somehow be in cahoots with Lex Luthor? We know several things:
1) He's not dead.
2) He promised there will be a CRISIS (Superman/Batman #6)
3) From IC #6: "Deadshot called Waller -- Waller called Luthor -- and Luthor called his old (emphasis added) White House counsel boys, who're all now doing white collare defense work." Ergo Luthor is already out of office.
4) Further proof on the Luthor theory: This event happened after Superman/Batman #6, when he was already ousted from the presidency. IC #1 showed Jefferson Pierce a.k.a Black Lightning, who was also Luthor's Secretary of Education, has already stepped down a few months ago. Ergo, Luthor's no longer in office. The time between Pierce stepping down and Luthor getting deposed couldn't have been more than a few days at the most. And Luthor had to have been deposed before Pierce stepped down. In Superman/Batman #4, Pierce was still in Luthor's cabinet, and was even hand-picked to the task force led by Captain Atom to bring it Supes and Bats. Less than 24 hours later, Lexcorp Towers collapsed, with Luthor inside.
At first I thought Luthor was the sole mastermind, but other than the above, I don't see any other reason to call his involvement in this anything but thin. The Jean Loring connection makes for a likely link. Luthor and Loring have a lot to bring to each other's table to make this crime possible.
I have other things in mind but they're all jumbled and incoherent right now. I'll come back later. |
J.H.
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 5:11 pm: | |
I don't think Luthor is involved in any of this. For one simple reason.
Why would Lex Luthor want to kill Sue Dibny? No motive whatsoever. If Luthor wanted to go after a spouse of a hero. I'm sure he would start with Lois. He knows Bruce is Batman. Perhaps he knows Clark is Superman. |
Blake Petit
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 8:21 pm: | |
Problem with the Jean theory, folks -- Atom's size-changing equipment doesn't work for just anyone. Any matter he tries to shrink explodes. There's something unusual in his metabolism that keeps him safe. |
Parker
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 10:09 pm: | |
One more thing on Jean theory: Whats about Sue unborn son? Could it be a child of Ray? Could all this be an act of jealosy?
But it's seems that the Top has something to do about all this. Who knows.
Cyas.
Park. |
MD
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 1:26 pm: | |
You've reminded me of something, Blake Petit. You say that the size changing equipment doesn't work for just anyone. However, I think it will work for Paul Hoben. Paul had Ray's old belt for a time and it was mentioned in Power of the Atom that the belt had "affected" Paul. So, what's Paul been up to since the divorce? Could he be plotting revenge on both Jean and Ray? |
Jim
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 2:32 pm: | |
While I too remember that Jean had at least the one big bout of mental problems and that Paul Hoben was unbalanced, supposeldy by the sizechanging stresses; I think it would be a real longshot to be bringing him in at this time since it would not seem to be fair to those who aren't long time readers who would've never heard of Hoben.
I think that we are all not giving enough credence to the possibilities of a villain doing this, and maybe still controlling heroes. |
J.H.
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 5:07 pm: | |
This is few responses to messages up the board.
Ray and Jean shrunk down into the phone in IC#1. Nothing exploded. That happened in the past. But there are elements in IC we've never seen before in the DCU. The mindwipe storyline is new. The rape of Sue Dibny is new. Jean's ability to shrink could be new also.
Who said that Sue was having a boy? They don't say the sex in IC. I don't buy that whole Sue was having an affair story.
Jean is just nuts. Plain and simple. |
FreezeFrame
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 12:39 am: | |
hey - has everyone forgotten that little bit w/ Phobia and Dr. Moon back in issue 2? They both have mind altering M.O.'s - I would say its possible they have discovered the League's mind altering of former villians and are using the League's loved ones to strike back at the League |
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